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13 years 6 months ago #168 by David J

However, it should not be used as a stick to beat the small business man, but rather a tool to bring fairness to those businesses which have struggled with cash flow, due to late payment by the larger companies, this is where I see in interest of justice.

I agree.

Will this be the debt falling due in 30 days, ie compensation for each monthly statement rather than each invoice. I dont think this would be a substantial remedy for late payment. Would it be ?

No.

We will have to wait for the full version of the updates and see if they are approved or not.

Then see how the changes are implemented by the UK.

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13 years 6 months ago #169 by latepayments
Hi,

Now you are theorising about future changes to UK legislation which may be some years away, when the necessary EU stages are not yet completed.

Will any new legislation be any more effective than the current "lot" and are UK businesses suddenly going to start seeking their statutory entitlements.

To both questions I fear the answer is no.

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13 years 5 months ago #202 by David J
Latest information on changes to the legislation...... Looks like the larger companies can breath a sigh of relief..... You can still be their [url=news-and-information/are-you-becoming-your-customers-unnoffical-lender]unofficial lender[/url]

Under the Late Payments Directive, adopted today in the European Parliament, the commerce sector will maintain the freedom to agree on flexible payment terms with suppliers. EuroCommerce welcomes the plenary vote and applauds MEPs’ decision to preserve this essential contractual freedom.

In the current economic climate," commented Xavier Durieu, EuroCommerce Secretary General, "when SMEs are being squeezed to the limit in terms of access to finance from banks, flexible payment terms are of vital importance."

Parliament was initially inclined to set a cap of 30 days as the maximum payment period for businesses to business transactions. As EuroCommerce forcefully pointed out, this would have been disastrous for commerce, where supplier credit, in the form of extended payment terms, provides a necessary mechanism for the management of stock. Terms for payment are also an important element in retailers' negotiations with their suppliers.

EuroCommerce also welcomes the stricter payment rules for public authorities in the new directive. Public bodies will be obliged to pay creditors within 30 days or, in exceptional circumstances, within 60 days. This is a real step forward, as two out of three delayed and late payments are caused by public authorities.

In addition, the interest rates to which creditors are entitled in cases of late payment will be tightened. Creditors will be entitled to reimbursement and administration costs up to a fixed amount of 40 euros.

After formal ratification by the Council expected at the end of this month, the Directive will be published in the Official Journal. The legislation must come into force in member states by 2012. The new legislation replaces the Directive on Combating Late Payments in Commercial Transactions, which dates from 2000.


Julius Witteveen

Adviser on SMEs Policy

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13 years 5 months ago #203 by ashley smith
This is very interesting and smacks hypocrisy.

1) how many SME supply public bodies ?

Virtually none. So big companies, many of whom are probably multiple nationals have managed to secure better terms.

2) who are the main suppliesmto these same bodies ?

Oh it's the SME who have by this statement not been afforded the same benefits of 30 day terms, infect they have been indirectly told they have been afforded worst terms.


In effect and following this argument however what is actually happening is that the Company in 1) is acting in effect as a collecting agent for the SME. By this I mean that the large company receives an order and raises an invoice on day 1 to the public body. On the same day it raises a purchase order to the SME stating it will only pay on 60 day terms.

For arguments sake let's say that the supply also takes place on day one. The large company gets paid in 30 days, but does not pay the small company for 60 days. This whole premise goes against the original ethos of the directive, now maybe it could be argued that the without the large company acting as conduit the SME would not have a market, but then if Public bodies want to safe costs perhaps more SME should combine into co-operatives to cut out the middle man. This would lead to cost savings for public bodies and also better payment terms for SME.

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13 years 5 months ago #204 by ashley smith
It may come as no surprise but the UK members include

Tesco, ASDA, Marks and Spark, etc.

Why isn't the Federation of Small Business there ?

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13 years 2 months ago #325 by David J
This is the latest release from the EU council.

Council adopts new rules on combating late payment in commercial transactions.

The Council today adopted a directive laying down new rules on late payment in commercial transactions. The directive establishes specific deadlines for the payment of invoices and the right to compensation in cases of late payment in all commercial transactions irrespective of whether they are carried out between private or public undertakings or between
undertakings and public authorities. It will increase the protection of creditors and contribute to the better functioning of the EU's internal market, thereby fostering the competitiveness of businesses and in particular of small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs).

Payment periods

Under the new rules, a creditor will be entitled to interest for late payment without the necessity of a reminder if, having fulfilled his contractual obligations, he has not received the amount due on time, unless the debtor is not responsible for the delay. The creditor will be entitled to interest for late payment from the day following the date or the end of the period for payment fixed in the contract.

If the date or period for payment is not fixed in the contract, the creditor will be entitled to interest for late payment after 30 days following the date of receipt of the invoice. If the date of the receipt of the invoice is uncertain, 30 days after the date of receipt of the goods or services.

If the debtor receives the invoice earlier than the goods or the services, 30 days after the receipt of the goods or services.

As a general rule, in transactions between undertakings the period for payment fixed in a contract shall not exceed 60 days, unless otherwise expressly agreed in the contract and provided it is not unfair to the creditor. These exceptions will cover cases that require more extensive payment periods.

A derogation included in the directive will also allow certain public undertakings, as well as public hospitals and healthcare institutions, to extend the payment period up to 60 days.

Compensation for recovery costs


When interest for late payment becomes payable, the creditor is entitled to obtain from the debtor, as a minimum, a fixed sum of EUR 40, that will be payable without the necessity of a reminder as compensation for the creditor's own recovery costs.

In addition, the creditor will be entitled to obtain compensation for expenses incurred due to the debtor's late payment, such as those incurred in instructing a lawyer or employing a debt collection agency.

EU member states will be allowed to impose fixed sums for compensation of recovery costs which are higher and therefore more favourable to the creditor, or to increase these amounts, for instance to keep pace with inflation.

The Commission will publish on the Internet statutory rates of interest (the reference rate of the relevant Central Bank plus 8%) which apply for the purpose of late payment in commercial transactions.

Also, contracts excluding interest for late payment shall be considered as grossly unfair.

Member states will have two years to adapt national laws to comply with the provisions of the new directive, which replaces directive 2000/35/EC.

The reduction in the number of late payments in commercial transactions is one of the ten principles enshrined in the Small Business Act for Europe (16788/08), to help SMEs to cope with the present tough market conditions.

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