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12 years 3 months ago #750 by JH
Hi,

I'm a sole trader in London. My (multinational) client is in The Netherlands. My first invoice (of two submitted) is now well over 30 days late.

Two questions:

1) Does the late payment legislation apply if I pursue them through the courts? (i.e. default 30 day credit period applying in the absence of a contract, late fees etc)

2) If so, would I go via a UK or EU court?

Thanks in advance.

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12 years 3 months ago #751 by David J
Hello Darren
The legislation is an EU directive so it does apply to the Netherlands. Here is a list of European Countries that have adopted the current legislation .
Your second question may depend on a number of factors and would be better answered by somebody with good knowledge of dealing with claims against Dutch companies.

Regards

David

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12 years 3 months ago #752 by JH
Thanks for the information and the quick reply David.

I've spoken to them today and they reject outright the idea of paying any interest or late fees. They assert that their terms are 60 days and there's nothing they can do to change it. I explained that the law states 30 and mentioned the EU directive but they're not interested. They gave me the dates my invoices would be paid. I now face the choice of either charging interest/late fees and pursuing this through the courts (which may take a further 60 days or longer as the process is far from clear) or just waiting the extra time to get paid within their law flouting and highly inconvenient terms.

In this situation, the EU directive seems to have no legs. 30 days needs to somehow be set deeper in stone with clear, immediate penalties for debtors who flout it and a quick and easily accessible process for creditor compensation.

I'm going to call them back and try to reach some kind of compromise but I'm really over a barrel. As good as the directive is, it doesn't empower me here unfortunately.

Thanks again David.

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12 years 3 months ago #753 by David J
Hello Darren

The legislation stipulates a default of 30 days IF no terms of payment have been agreed. This is to allow business to set their own terms outside of the framework of the legislation. Whether you agreed to 60 days or not may depend on who's terms were the last 'on the table'. Yours or theirs. Did you know their terms were 60 days?

This is why it is important to agree amicable terms before committing to supplying goods or services.

So the legislation does have the legs. It just depends on your agreement. If it is late after 60 days, then you can still use the legislation.

You are right to call and reach a mutual compromise. That will be far better than going down any legal route at this stage. That may keep the business relationship intact but you will be in a better position to negotiate payment terms that suit you rather than them!

Regards

David

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12 years 3 months ago #754 by JH
Hey David,

Neither of our terms were on the table and no contracts were signed. I didn't know their payment terms at any point and I assumed 30 having been through the legal process before and knowing it defaults to that. They would've seen mine though as I make a note on my invoice re 30 days. Amicable terms were agreed via email relating to every other thing apart from payment, which was my big mistake.

I wouldn't have accepted 60 day terms. I'm frustrated by the directive here as in this type of situation with no agreed terms, a business can pay on 60 days knowing that it takes longer for the creditor to go through the legal process after 30 than it does to wait the extra time out. I'll not get too deep into a debate here though as I don't know the facts well enough. Feel free to put me right if i'm wrong on anything.

Cheers David.

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12 years 3 months ago #755 by David J
Your not wrong on any point. If you had the taste for it, you could insist on 30 days payment as no terms were agreed but it would probably drag things out further and just take up a lot of your time being frustrated. Best to learn and ensure that future terms of payment are agreed and signed 'up front'.

We are adding a Terms and Condition service to this site shortly.

I'm currently reviewing the recast EU directive that this government needs to implement on or before the 16th of March 2013 (I will be adding some articles about this shortly). Don't expect any massive changes though. If anything, we may see a reduction in the strength of the current legislation which is very worrying. A bit like a shark with no teeth... However there are some good areas to the recast such as 60 days max and adding recovery costs from instructing a solicitor or recovery agency into your claim for interest and compensation.

You have to ask the question though..If the government are so keen to help small businesses get paid on time as Mark Prisk keeps telling us they are, why have they sat on this recast Directive since Feb 2011 and will not implement any of it until the very last moment?

Regards

David

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